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Mark Capron

Apr 27, 2013
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Why is support not showing on the list?

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Jul 1, 2013
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This proposal is a novel idea and using unmanned aerial vehicles might be a systematic way to get better data about methane emissions, which would be valuable. The GHG divided could play a role in incentivizing companies to participate, although there are some questions about its political feasibility. It would be useful to hear more about how the proposal might address legal and public opinion issues related to unmanned aerial vehicles patrolling the skies around drilling sites, and the relationship between the elements of the proposal about ocean afforestation and the objectives of this contest could more clearly articulated.

Mark Capron

Jul 22, 2013
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Did you give up on presenting at the Union of Concerned Scientist's meeting in Los Angeles on Wednesday and Thursday? We could still make that presentation.

Laur Hesse Fisher

Jul 24, 2013
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Hi Mark, Due to scheduling challenges, the UCS Forum did not end up including presentations from any of the Climate CoLab fracking contest finalists. Thanks for letting us know you could be available.

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Jul 29, 2013
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Novel idea, but some concerns about feasibility and challenges of attracting thousand of volunteers. The authors get points for putting more meat on the bones of this proposal during the revision phase, but it still seems a little haphazard. The proposal seems designed for something else, rather than this contest in particular. The parts about the bio-methane economy and the oceans seem like a distraction, reflecting a pre-existing idea the authors had which they are just applying to this contest. There is also a concern about whether companies would be willing to have sensors placed on their employees’ mobile phones.

Mark Capron

Jul 30, 2013
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Dear Judges, Great comments on exactly those concerns in need of some collaboration, debate, and clarification. 1. Getting “volunteers” – Some people, not associated with the methane industry, are recruited to work for their “free” small sensor plus minor “bonus pay” for keeping it functional and for detecting leaks. We could have said this better under Action 2. Keep adjusting the pay as needed to maintain the “workforce.” These “minor pay” people are primarily auditing the results of the methane industry’s self-policing and providing additional calibration points. 2. Bigger picture – Sorry, it did not occur to us to make all the possible “click” links until after this contest closed or it would be easy to click over to the other three concepts in the Related Proposals. Yes, all the Ocean Foresters proposals are subsets of the larger proposal. We hope to be producing sufficient bio-methane to replace any remaining fossil fuel use. We need this sensor technology and the regulations (pay for leaked methane) to level the field for our no-leak bio-methane to compete with fossil methane. The concept of many people with cell phone sensors is our “pre-existing idea” from our water resources members that replaced our initial “cluster bombs of sensors.” This “distributed smart phone sensors” technology is more practical and generally applicable. For example, we just noticed the EPA has been thinking parallel to us for monitoring other constituents of air and water pollution. I could send data to the EPA while bicycle commuting (or walking, or driving, or on a bus) or stick the sensor in a stream at the start of a storm to sample a “first flush.” 3. Company willingness – We could have better explained the methane industry’s motivations for deploying the mobile sensors (which can be either the tiny smart phone units or truck-top mounted lasers). While some companies will appreciate the safety, insurance fee, and “tight ship” advantages, others will need the incentive of legislation. If companies must pay for potentially leaked methane in the absence of sensor data, they will deploy the sensors in the manner they feel is most cost effective.

Mark Capron

Aug 24, 2013
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The proposal's concepts can become an important component of preventing the catastrophic release of methane from hydrates (one consequence of gradual warming). (As well as cleaning up oil and gas industry "spills" of methane.) Bacteria are floating in the air, even at altitudes above commercial airline flights. Some bacteria subsist on methane. They breath oxygen, eat CH4, and exhale CO2. (Such bacteria ate the CH4 from the Deep Water Horizon methane and oil release). If the oil and gas industry is paying for their CH4 spills, they would have reason to "crop-dust" the spills with an aerosol full of CH4 eating bacteria. The above concept monitoring system would document the effectiveness of the clean-up. Back to the Arctic, where we want to prevent methane from hydrates heating the atmosphere. Others have discussed delaying methane release by faking the reflection of Arctic Ocean ice and keeping the water cooler. One way to temporarily increase reflection is microbubbles (see PGAllen Ocean Challenge concept "Albedo modulation and thermal buffering." http://www.pgafamilyfoundation.org/oceanchallenge/TemplateComments.aspx?suid=10) Microbubbles may be thought of as foam. Small (few square kilometer) scale foam experiments are not as scary or expensive as other albedo changers (aerosols, clouds, etc.) On the larger scale, the Salter 'cloud ships' might instead be Arctic Ocean 'foam ships or aerial foam drones.' Either could be equipped to also monitor methane concentrations as explained in the Climate CoLab entry: https://www.climatecolab.org/web/guest/plans/-/plans/contestId/30/planId/1303603 There are lots of foams including beer foam, surfactant foam, recently developed non-toxic fire-fighting foams, and even an Innocentive contest that might find us just the right foam: Making a Stable Foam Share this Challenge: https://www.innocentive.com/ar/challenge/9933346 A novel solution is required that will produce a stable foam on dispensing a liquid from a container. This is a Theoretical Challenge that requires a written proposal and experimental proof-of-concept data Working concepts or prototypes would also be of interest to the Seeker. Challenge 9933346 Deadline: August 26, 2013 Reward: $20,000 Once we have the ideal foam, we foam land and water for 2 to 3 months of Arctic summer. Perhaps the foam boats or drones fly south to foam along the equator during the Arctic winter. The effects of foam in the summer should be a little like the effects of the ice it replaces. The foam would detain any methane migrating up through the water/soil column. While the methane migrates, it is being biologically degraded (used for food) by aerobic bacteria. If we can supply the bacteria and the oxygen in the foam, the foam might convert much of the CH4 to CO2 before it reaches the atmosphere. The bacteria (and the foam) may have commercial applications for spreading over old landfills, livestock wastewater ponds, and other such methane sources. Industries would buy the methane eating foam in order to satisfy local air quality regulators. The oil and gas industry (particularly fracking) might deploy an aerosol version of the bacteria to clean-up methane "spills" from their operations.

Mark Capron

Aug 27, 2013
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A tragic waste of natural resources we hope to stop is flaring gas when oil is the immediate product. That is the short-sighted situation in North Dakota. This video from SkyTruth shows just how bad the situation is. http://ecowatch.com/2013/skytruth-tracks-fracking-from-space/ SkyTruth compliments our approach as it provides an indication of gas wasting. Then our system will know where to apply its more precise measuring.

Mark Capron

Oct 4, 2013
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Another important use of smart-phone sensors. They could become important for nuclear arms reduction, particularly in Iran. (Less so for North Korea.) Part of a "trust but verify" arrangement could include thousands of people who regularly visit places where bomb processing may be occurring. They carry devices associated with their smartphones such as: http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/09/under-100-gamma-radiation-detector.html http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/10/it-had-to-happen-iphone-radiation-detectors/ http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/onepercent/2012/02/diy-geiger-counter-smartphone.html

Mark Capron

Oct 28, 2013
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Another example we are entering the methane economy - Dr. Stephen L. Bryant's (UTexas) article in the November 2013 Scientific American, "The One-Stop Carbon Solution." Excerpt: "In Brief: Most countries are not capturing carbon dioxide emissions and storing them underground, because the process is expensive. A closed-loop system that injects CO2 into hot brine brought to the surface from deep underground could make CO2 storage economical by providing geothermal energy and methane for fuel. The CO2-laden brine would be sent back down for permanent storage. Calculations show that enough deep brine exists along the U.S. Gulf Coast to store one sixth of U.S. CO2 emissions and to meet one sixth of its demand for natural gas annually." Dr. Bryant's process stores 100 tons of CO2 for every 21 tons of methane-combustion CO2 produced. Two concepts: 1. The methane economy promises to expand. That implies need for more powerful incentives to prevent methane leaks. 2. Texans could aim to maximize their benefits from Dr. Bryant's process applied to their Gulf Coast brine resources. If the U.S. Federal Government were to apply a reasonable fee on fossil carbon dioxide emissions applied domestically and on the carbon footprint of all imports, Texans would have the least expensive energy in the world for a long time. The U.S. in general already has a global edge (if we had a carbon fee) with inexpensive CH4 to replace coal because of U.S.-developed hydraulic fracturing technology. But the carbon fee-augmented U.S. advantage due to fracking technology will dissipate as the technology spreads. The U.S. Gulf Coast brines (with a carbon fee) represent a much larger international trade advantage than fracking technology and may be unique to the U.S. Gulf Coast.

Ron George

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I'm curious as to where you got in your research with this topic. Trying to use $5 sensors on a moving platform that itself may affect the methane readings appears to be something you need to do a lot of sensitivity analysis on. In short, it seems you need to do more research into the validity of your measuring tools before using it to levy taxes on polluters.